Like insurance fraud, the whole PI and PA debacle, tracking titans and the like, of which nobody I've heard about have been even remotely punished?

So when are the people who did that going to get their punishment, then?

So do we continue the 4x4 thread here now that its locked?

Guess CCP got tired of being taken advantage of?

The insurance fraud helped depress mineral prices for years though, as did the drone regions through gunmining. PA also helped make sure nocx never rose much above 900. These three things have probably had more of an effect on the economy as a whole (and as a result the profitability of the miners as a profession) than anything else we've talked about so far.

So what you're saying is that it's not the size of the operation, nor the effect it has on the economy, but how embarassed CCP got?

I'm not sure if this is relevant but maybe CCP should have read some of the comments when they first announced the changes to FW a few months ago.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1273664#post1273664

Last I checked, misc ccp devs were saying that the days of "it's time to launch, nevermind its state just launch it and we'll fix it later" were over. Which would mean that they should've delayed the launch until they reworked the mechanic until it was no longer gameable.

They didnt exploit anything, they used the game that CCP gave us to the fullest extent. CCP just ignored the feedback threads about what would happen. CCP was caught with their pants around their ankles and bent over the desk. They are doing the only thing CCP knows how to do, which is remove legally gained assets and silence the players via moderation or forum bans.


CCP really ****** this expansion up with the "revamp" to faction warfare and the new Inventory. Its sorta funny since they had 6 months to work on it. Considering Crucible was done in 4-6 weeks.

Maybe its time for CCP to start only doing one expansion a year and make sure its 100 percent ready for TQ. Hire some people to actually QA the patch, instead of using SiSi and not reading the feedback threads.

This summers expansion, not the worse by far but close, is just another notch in CCPs belt for delivering expansions with more problems than actual fixes.

Blatant antisemitism on a public forum. You should be ashamed of yourself.

For us to whine about something, don't you think it should affect us even one iota? It doesn't. We don't live in hisec with GSF chars because we've basically been permanently wardecced the last uh ... probably every year GSF's been in existence, and GS before then.

Let's see you eat that shoe when you're proven wrong.

And since "taken what they have" is more than "what was gained from this heist", what would have to be done to keep "everyone" from being "unhappy"? "ban all goons"?

OMG they are here.
Beware.
Next winter Batman is coming to EVE.

Except that was
1) Abuse of a programming bug, not creative use of a well-documented public game mechanic.
2) Abuse of said programming bug was done over a period of years.

By that logic, people who abused insurance fraud, refined POS bits into various PI components, bought PA to refine into nocx whenever nocx got past 900 isk, used titans to go POS bowling, used tracking titans to take over whole regions etc, should also be banned.

Well, they (CCP) definitely knew it could be abused and released it anyway. They (CCP) definitely did know about it and chose to ignore what players told them. Why would they do that instead of fixing it before release?

CCP have stated repeatedly that they're turning over a new leaf and not releasing things before they're satisfied with their quality. The CCP of olde would've released things and say "we'll fix it later". See: Captain's Quarters.


Ev0ke abused a programming bug for years. Insurance fraud, POS bit refinery into PI bits, PA refinery into nocx, titan POS bowling and tracking titans were the creative use of published in-game mechanics, which have never been punished before, at all.

Saying "the rules clearly state doing so result in permanent bans" doesn't match up with previous incidents.

If it was a known bug then surely CCP would have fixed it before release or made a post explaining it was a bug.

Everything in life contains bugs? I have no idea what you are talking about but I think it would be best if we stuck to the mechanics/rules of computer games when discussing this issue.

Anyway, the 'rules and laws' which you talk about are made by CCP and they ignored feedback when people told them that their 'rules and laws' were not good enough.

You should probably stop calling people names, confusing real life laws and rules with computer game mechanics, stop making excuses for CCP and ask yourself 'How did CCP manage to ignore feedback that explicitely mentioned this issue and release it anyway?'

The precedence, which Frying Doom keeps harping on about, on how CCP dealt with this kind of situation in the past has been to tell people it's now considered an exploit, punish those who persist in using it in that fashion (citation needed, I haven't really heard of many people being punished for doing this), change the mechanic to stop people from the creative way they were using it, and move on. This has apparently changed.

I expect the devblog will be detailing that this is the new line with which CCP will deal with any creative use of any game mechanic in future.

Yet when that child is a goon you cheer?

How many of you started reading the forums after being ganked at Jita Burn? Lots of senseless hatred in this thread.

Are you trying to say that the reaction is a revenge act?

Enlighten me. Wich rule did they broke? I dont want to read a 150 page thread looking for it.
I read the EULA though.